Liz Phair is hot...
Recently on CL’s blog this post on Liz Phair appeared: http://curmudgeonloner.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/liz-phair-and-game/#comment-1225
Now I have never listened to her, or even really knew who she was, but from what I can gather from CL’s post, in addition to being a good musician, she is a fairly open women when it comes to sexuality. I will admit I will probably never really listen to her, seeing I really don’t like chick music, but her sexuality is intriguing. A woman who writes a song about “Hot White Cum” is someone who deserves a post on this blog.
Liz Phair is 44 years old, and she still looks great. She is still hot and sexy. This just shows that women do not have to age poorly, if they take care of themselves. She also shows how women, as they grow older, become more confident and comfortable in their sexuality. Young women may have the superior physical powers, the more lithe, supple bodies, but too often they are basket cases of insecurities and low self esteem. Plus, since they know every man wants to get in their pants, they often have an overly exalted sense of sexual entitlement and will use that in the most malicious and immature ways. Many also simply suck in bed, often due to their lack of experience, insecurities, and poor body images. And psychologically, many are simply immature. I do enjoy the intellectual stimulation of a grown women after I have fucked her, after all. How much life experience does a younger women bring into a relationship? What can you really talk about with her? Now not all younger women are like this, I have certainly known some, and still know some, who are not, and I enjoy them as women, but they are mostly the great exception to the rule.
Lovely...
For the most part, women are not allowed to enjoy their sexuality in our world. If they do, they are shamed by their sisters as being sluts. Many men also shame women who are sexual. Religion oppression just adds to this (recently I just saw a story about a woman in Afghanistan who was jailed for….being raped. That is right, someone raped her, and she was accused of adultery and jailed. Oh, the joys the multi-culturalism and theocracy all wrapped into one!!!). I think however the highly sexual woman tends to get more grief from other women than from men, since other women see them as competition, or potential threats to the man they have. But what the slut shamers do not understand is this: if a woman is highly sexed, and is good in bed, and good and kind to her man, most men are not going to stray.. A highly sexual woman who loves you is often too good a find to risk. Perhaps many men do not understand this, but many do. I myself love highly sexual women, because I myself am highly sexual, and need a woman who is the same. Most slut shamers, as well the religiously pure, tend to be the more frigid types anyway.
Damn...
As far as Liz Phair, I think this beauty needs to be praised with a few nice photos every now and then on this blog. After all, beautiful women comfortable in their sexuality are one of my favorite pastimes.
The Chase 
CL said:
Glad to have inspired a post, but it should be noted those are old pics of her, not her at 44. Not that she looks bad now or anything, but those pics are probably a good 10 years or more out of date, as are the songs I posted.
This review is from 2008 with a couple of more recent pictures: http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/liz-phair
Savrola said:
She’s hittin the wall unfortunately, though that means little in terms of your post.
Shelby Lynn is a rather better case in point.
Butterfly Flower said:
Liz Phair is 44 years old, and she still looks great. She is still hot and sexy. This just shows that women do not have to age poorly, if they take care of themselves. She also shows how women, as they grow older, become more confident and comfortable in their sexuality.
I get creeped out by the men on the blogosphere who claim that all women hit a wall once they turn 24. That mentality always struck me as ephebophilia [i.e. only interested in teenagers]. When I think of breathtakingly beautiful women, I don’t think of 18 year old girls . Instead I think of Lauren Bacall, Vivien Leigh, Rita Hayworth – mature, confident, intelligent ladies who frequently matched wits with their male co-stars.
I’m a naive, immature [I was sick for quite awhile, so I was inadvertently sheltered…] babyfaced 20 year old. I’m not confident, and I’m certainly not comfortable with my sexuality. Sure I can tease, but I really have no idea what the heck I’m doing.
I think my New Year’s resolution will be “grow up and become a woman”. Bringing the topic back to Liz Phair, I’m reminded of the movie 13 Going on 30 [Liz Phair wrote the “Why Can’t I?” for the movie’s soundtrack]. I want to find a packet of magic wishing dust and just wish myself into a mature, confident adult.
…seriously, though – looking like a teenager isn’t a sexual edge. Men want to date women that look like women. My boyfriend was a guyfriend so he knew I was legal; but whenever I flirted with men who didn’t know my age, they always brushed me off as being too “immature” – no matter how I presented myself, or how eloquently I spoke.
Racer X said:
CL,
Thanks for the update. Well, even those pics are ten years old, she was still good looking for a woman in her mid thirties. I checked out your link, and she still looks pretty good. Most women that age today do not look as good as her.
Again, any woman who writes a song about her enjoyment of “hot white cum” is automatically going to be one of my favorites….being the unabashed perv that I am….haha.
Racer X said:
Savrola,
Yeah, Shelby Lynne is a good example too. I will have to do some sort of post on her.
Racer X said:
Butterfly,
“I get creeped out by the men on the blogosphere who claim that all women hit a wall once they turn 24. That mentality always struck me as ephebophilia [i.e. only interested in teenagers]. When I think of breathtakingly beautiful women, I don’t think of 18 year old girls . Instead I think of Lauren Bacall, Vivien Leigh, Rita Hayworth – mature, confident, intelligent ladies who frequently matched wits with their male co-stars.”
Agreed. I once was reading a blog by someone who was praising his pursuit of what he called “young girls”. He was referring to over-eighteen teenagers, but it was still a bit weird.
My philosophy as always been this: twenty year old pussy, although certainly attractive, is usually not worth the price of a twenty year old’s mouth. I have better things to do with my time. There are exceptions of course, but as I said, they are the exceptions and not the rule.
One of the reasons why I so openly promote the GNP on a woman is that a nice bush makes a woman look like a woman. I really never enjoyed the prepubescent look of a completely shaved female. I don’t understand the erotic attraction to it, unless you are attracted to underage girls or something.
Yes, Lauren Bacall, Vivien Leigh (I did a post on her) and Rita Hayworth, are all good examples of women who act like women. I need to do some more posts on them.
What I try to emphasize on this blog is that beauty, particularly feminine beauty, is something that has not time or date and that a woman can be beautiful and sexual for a good period of her life if she takes care of herself and feels comfortable in her sexuality. A woman certainly does not hit the wall at 24, and there are many women who still look for decades after that. And a mature woman offers more than simply her looks or body in a relationship, which is quite important. Think of what an air-headed bimbo Paris Hilton seems: sure, she is good looking, but she seems to stupid and boring because she depends on her looks for so much that fucking her would be the equivalent of fucking an expensive blow up doll.
“seriously, though – looking like a teenager isn’t a sexual edge. Men want to date women that look like women.”
Quite true. I love women. Women, not girls. There is a big difference.
Savrola said:
I’ve fucked several older women in my time, and they were very good. Certainly wouldn’t kick Liz Phair out of bed, even if she’s declined.
They were also childless, and unhappy.
Benjamin Franklin prefered older women. He wrote an essay about it.
All that being said- there are 18 year old women and 26 year old girls.
18 year old women have a higher value than 26 year older girls, both physically and mentally.
Butterfly Flower said:
My philosophy as always been this: twenty year old pussy, although certainly attractive, is usually not worth the price of a twenty year old’s mouth. I have better things to do with my time. There are exceptions of course, but as I said, they are the exceptions and not the rule.
If you’re involved with a twenty year old; shouldn’t her mouth be preoccupied? 😉
Back to the topic of mature women:
The frightening thing is, I think a lot of men don’t want to date women. They don’t want a wife who they can stimulating conversations with. They want a legal adult who they can treat like a young daughter. Obedient, always listens to their authority, enjoys being indulged.
I used to think most of the women who supported Christian Patriarchy were just using the Bible to justify being lazy and entitled. “I’m a woman, I’m much too weak minded to do anything. God put men on Earth to take care of women…” But now that I think about it, they’re probably just women with serious daddy issues. They don’t want a husband, they want a Daddy. On the blogosphere, the way most of the traditional Christian women describe their husbands – it’s like a seven year old girl gushing about her father. “My husband is so great, he makes all the decisions, he takes me shopping and buys me stuff….” Their marriage dynamic resembles a father-daughter relationship, instead of husband and wife.
Remember that Atheist blog I sent you the link to, about the woman who had been raised in a Christian Patriarchal household? She wrote a few posts about the creepy incestuous vibe within the movement. It’s no coincidence such movements are often linked to higher rates of sexual abuse, and are led by sleazy creepers like Warren Jeffs.
Since I look young for my age, I’m a creeper magnet. Before I started dating my boyfriend, all the men I had been interested in brushed me off because they assumed I was just a foolish girl [“Awh, this teenager has a crush on me…” was the most common reaction]. The only men interested in me were creepers. Like, they wanted to be my sugar-daddy. “You’re a sweet girl. If you want, I can take you shopping and buy you nice things…”
In Japan it’s called enkō – compensated dating. It’s more about companionship than sexual favors; like, getting paid to accompany a salaryman to a karaoke bar. Although, I get the feeling the American men who offered to take me shopping weren’t interested in taking me to a karaoke bar. Also, beneath the veneer of Hello Kitty and glitter – Japanese women tend to be headstrong and assertive. Japanese husbands respect their wife’s opinions, and the wife rewards her husband “me love you long time”-style. [Google “Amae” it’s the Japanese concept of dependent love. It’s significantly less creepy than the American “father-daughter” marital dynamic]. So many American men want to date glorified blow-up dolls, yet complain when women behave like shallow, superficial breathing blow-up dolls.
One of the reasons why I so openly promote the GNP on a woman is that a nice bush makes a woman look like a woman. I really never enjoyed the prepubescent look of a completely shaved female. I don’t understand the erotic attraction to it, unless you are attracted to underage girls or something.
Well, a full bush can get a bit out of control and uncomfortable – you don’t want it going up to your stomach. But you’re right, the recent emphasis on bikini waxes, it’s a bit too much. Some salons actually offer them for young teenage girls; waxing it off before it even grows in. It shouldn’t be something to be ashamed of.
CL said:
I really never enjoyed the prepubescent look of a completely shaved female. I don’t understand the erotic attraction to it, unless you are attracted to underage girls or something.
I used to think this way too, but it’s really just a preference. The hair can get in the way too. I dunno, to each his own, eh? These days I try not to concern myself with what others like or do sexually. People are so judgemental of each other and it just gets ridiculous. A lot of men like at least a somewhat hairless female and I’d wager most of them aren’t into under age girls. The popularity of “barely legal” porn notwithstanding, the general feeling I get is that grown men prefer grown women, with or without body hair.
7man said:
The pubic hair style of a mature woman will not appear prepubescent, and it worthwhile for a woman to at least maintain tidy garden, at least in the fertile area. The beauty of women past the 20-something is often unappreciated.
Racer X said:
Butterfly,
“The frightening thing is, I think a lot of men don’t want to date women. They don’t want a wife who they can stimulating conversations with. They want a legal adult who they can treat like a young daughter. Obedient, always listens to their authority, enjoys being indulged.”
Yeah, I have noticed a lot of that lately. Check out the more trad blogs and you will see many women wistfully dreaming about such a man. I think they are looking more for a father than a husband.
“On the blogosphere, the way most of the traditional Christian women describe their husbands – it’s like a seven year old girl gushing about her father. “My husband is so great, he makes all the decisions, he takes me shopping and buys me stuff….” Their marriage dynamic resembles a father-daughter relationship, instead of husband and wife.”
Alte’s blog, Traditional Christianity, if rife with such sentiments.
“Remember that Atheist blog I sent you the link to, about the woman who had been raised in a Christian Patriarchal household? She wrote a few posts about the creepy incestuous vibe within the movement. It’s no coincidence such movements are often linked to higher rates of sexual abuse, and are led by sleazy creepers like Warren Jeffs.”
The whole father-daughter prom thing is just really weird. The fathers cannot stomach the thought that someday their precious little girls will be getting fucked by some guy, giving blow jobs, having their pussy’s eaten, etc. So they try to create this fantasy world of perpetual purity. If they could, many would probably just cut off their clitorises to preserve their purity, like they do in many Islamic cultures.
Racer X said:
CL,
“I used to think this way too, but it’s really just a preference. The hair can get in the way too. I dunno, to each his own, eh?”
True. I am not saying that a completely shaved woman is somehow a bad thing, I just prefer a woman with a bush. She seems to me more womanly somehow. But it is just a preference.
And yes, I do prefer a bush that is taken care of, rather than all grown out. Maintaining the garden is nice.
Racer X said:
7man,
“The beauty of women past the 20-something is often unappreciated.”
Agreed.